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Still no updates about an Unleashed image release for the R730 AP ? ..

unknown

Can anyone shed some light on this? I was under the impression that the latest Unleashed image would've included support for R730 - unfortunately, that's not the case.

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michael_brado

I checked with Product Management, who say it's no support for R730 in Unleashed, but there's going to be R750 support in Unleashed 200.8 GA due later this year.

R750 Data Sheet: https://webresources.ruckuswireless.com/datasheets/r750/ds-ruckus-r750.pdf

unknown

Outstanding! Many thanks for your prompt response!

unknown

If I understand you correctly, can I expect R730 support later this year? You edited your response..

michael_brado

PM says there will not be Unleashed on R730.

unknown

That's HIGHLY disappointing. The R730 works like crap in stand alone mode. Highly, highly disappointing, Ruckus.

unknown

Reallly? Why it doesnt?

Wow.

Many customer will hope to release unleashed ap of r730

john_d

Michael, is this decision a reflection of the R730 being intended for higher end (non small/medium business) use cases, or a reflection of the R750 being preferred over the R730 as the latest and greatest .11ax AP in the lineup?

I'm okay with looking at ZD or SZ to run the R730 but don't want to prematurely invest if the product is going to be superseded by the R750.

(I remember for 11ac, the R700 was the first to market but it was a ZF7982 antenna design with a 11ac chipset. Months later when the R600 came out, my R600's outperformed my R700's for all intents and purposes)

michael_brado

Hello,

Product Marketing have offered insight/an answer. Both R730 and R750 are high-end APs.
The predominant number of Unleashed customers buy entry to mid-range APs. They chose
to decide on one next-gen high-end AP, the R750 over the R730 for a couple reasons.

The R730 is an 8x8 with more expensive hardware, where the R750 is 4x4. Given that Unleashed
customers are typically more price sensitive, they decided only to support Unleashed on R750 APs
which also saves engineering resources.

If you see different performance between Solo R730 and ZD/SZ managed, please open a ticket,
so we can see what might be happening? WireShark trace of similar configured WLAN encryption
and authentication, should provide some details. Thanks.

john_d

Thanks for the explanation Michael, it's good to understand that it was a choice based off which product Unleashed customers were most likely to be interested in, not a sign that the R730's fate is sealed.

In terms of differences between Solo and ZD/SZ R730, the biggest dealbreaker I personally saw with Solo was the lack of DFS channel support. I think DFS channels in the context of a 802.11ac+ AP is a big deal, since in the US there's no contiguous 160MHz channels and only 1 80p80 channel without DFS (and ironically home / small business deployments are likely where one can use these wide channels effectively). Plus the special channel 144 in the US tends to be the cleanest 802.11ac channel since only .ac-capable clients have support for it.

Other than that I like Unleashed because other than SZ, Unleashed has the next best resiliency against single point of failure. And while Mesh isn't supported on R730 yet, one day I do hope to use Mesh with R730.

To play devil's advocate, I've used wireless solutions from many different vendors. One of the most unique things about Ruckus's AP's is that the same hardware works with a variety of controller schemes. Nobody else offers that. Between the 4 Ruckus installations I manage, I've bought dozens of APs and almost all of them have ended up running a different kind of firmware due to my needs changing in unforeseen ways. It still is a big selling point for Ruckus that you don't have to set any network architecture decisions in stone when buying AP's.

tim_lillis

This is a stupid decision make it for the r730

unknown

LOL

unknown

This is disappointing, I was able to get 2 x R730 for less than $700 per AP, I was hoping they will support unleashed...

unknown

extremely disappointed reading this.. I have 2x730s and 1x700, both not supporting Unleashed... i hope at some point you will reconsider this decision.

hayward_kong

Ruckus R730 a draft version of 802.11ax... actually it's 802.11ax draft 2 and R750, R650, R550 is based on draft 3. Kind of like Ruckus R500 and R600 is 802.11ac wave 1 which is based on 802.11ac draft 3. Ruckus R700 came out almost a year before R500 and R600 so it either did not have enough flash ROM or not enough RAM. That's why it's always not good to buy hardware that's based on draft or until when you know unleashed support has been added.

Note: IEEE finalized 802.11ax just this past February 2021... so all chipsets that came out before then are draft 3 specs or draft 2 specs.

unknown

R720 is upgraded to version 20.10. Now the download is 390+, and the upload speed is 800+. Don't know if this is normal

hayward_kong

@harvey_li , how are you testing it?

supmang

Wow, I cannot believe Unleashed is not available for the "high end" R730. I didn't even consider such a thing before purchasing one to replace my old unsupported R500 (which has been running Unleashed for years!). Very disappointing decision by Ruckus.

Parik_MN

Hello @supmang,

R730 APs were announced End of Life for some time now. End of Sale was announced on Feb 2022, sorry to say this, we don't have plans for R730 unleashed code. Refer below document for the list of EOL/EOS products.

https://support.ruckuswireless.com/documents/3631-end-of-sale-and-end-of-life-product-datelines/download

Regards,

Parik