topic Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ? in Unleashed

R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

atma_tiwana — Wed, 09 Dec 2020 23:47:36 GMT

Hi ,

Just wondering what’s the best way of getting maximum throughput on the R600 wireless access point running unleashed.

At the moment I’ve separated the 5ghz and 2.4hhz SSID’s, that way I’m guaranteed which device gets onto which speed.

However I’m wondering if this giving me the maximum speed for 5ghz devices?

With the R600 being a 3x3, does the 5ghz client get both 5ghz streams (it’s a mobile phone and I believe most are 2x2 streams) or would it be better if i just had 1 SSID with both 2.4 and 5Ghz ?

Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

David — Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:33:12 GMT

Hi,

separating the SSIDs in two bands will enable you to be sure the devices in one SSID always connect to 2.4 Ghz and to 5 GHz in the other SSID, but in terms of throughput It is similar as having 1 SSID for the two bands. In Unleash architecture there is not much more you can do to increase the throughput as you can in solo/ZD/SZ architecture, as disabling low speed modes for old devices.

If the mobile phone is 2x2 It will use 2 data streams.

Thanks.

David.

Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

DarrelRhodes — Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:57:05 GMT

Hi Atma,

The spatial-streams on the R600 apply to both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz radios. Therefore you can theoretically connect a 2x2 client to the 2.4GHz radio and a 3x3 client to the 5GHz radio simultaneously.

The 5GHz radio on the R600 is 802.11ac Wave1 capable, whereas the 2.4GHz radio is 802.11n capable, so there are higher modulation data rates available to 5GHz clients, as well as wider channelisation (upto 80MHz), which is not available on 2.4GHz radio.

However bear in mind that the bottle-neck in any enterprise-grade network is usually the client device. You can configure your AP for the highest possible performance but if you connect a 2.4GHz 802.11b 1x1 SISO client on a 20MHz channel, it will only be able to achieve an 11Mbps data rate. This still applies even to the latest Wi-Fi 6 mobile client devices, which will normally have performance restrictions due to spatial-stream, NIC, CPU and RAM limitations, compared to the capability of the network infrastructure. Also the network infrastructure is designed to be higher-performing than a single client as it is intended to connect large quantities of client devices simultaneously.

I hope that helps explain,

Darrel.

Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

atma_tiwana — Thu, 10 Dec 2020 12:04:13 GMT

@darrel_rhodes Thanks.

what should I expect throughput wise on 5Ghz only on a iPhone 11 which I believe is 2x2 stream capable ?

Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

DarrelRhodes — Thu, 10 Dec 2020 12:16:29 GMT

Hi Atma,

You're most welcome. The Wi-Fi and TCP-throughput performance capability of the iPhone 11 is a question for Apple, as even though it is a Wi-Fi6 2x2 MIMO capable device it may not support all MCS data rates and 80MHz wide channels as well as inherent hardware limitations.

Thanks,
Darrel.

Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

neil_ticktin_io — Wed, 26 Jul 2023 20:41:24 GMT

Hi all, I know this is an old thread -- but it actually seems like the right place. I have a bunch of R600's on Unleashed that I want to use in places that have very low number of users. What I'm a bit puzzled by, however, is that despite signal (and SNR) that indicates that we would get 1300 Mbps, the most I'm seeing, without interference, and standing right in front of the AP is around 400 Mbps. Take the same laptop and put it in front of an R750 in the same environment ... more like 950 Mbps.

Is the R600 really have a real world of more like 400 Mbps?

Thanks!

Neil

Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

Parik_MN — Thu, 27 Jul 2023 06:28:04 GMT

Hello @neil_ticktin_io,

Just to give brief introduction about R600 AP, this model is Wave-I (supports upto 80Mhz bandwidth) 11AC AP and capable of 3x3 radio chain and 3 spatial streams. And yes, as mentioned in the data sheet this AP can achieve max throughput of 1300 MBPS. Provided the client should support 3 Spatial streams.

Please refer the MCS table in below link for more info about the data rate.

https://wlanprofessionals.com/mcs-table-and-how-to-use-it/

Refer below snippet, for 3 spatial steams Max Supported data rate on 80Mhz bandwidth achievable is 1300MBPS and MCS index ID is 9.

Similarly the value you mentioned, 400MBPS is close to the Max throughput achievable which is 433 MBPS in single spatial stream on 80Mhz bandwidth client as mentioned in below snippet. The referred MCS index ID is 9.

On the other hand R750 APs are 11AX APs and these models are no close to be compared with R600s. The client you mentioned seems like 11AX capable and throughput of 900MBPS is close to MCS 10 in single spatial stream and 160Mhz bandwidth.

Refer below link for more info:

https://mcsindex.net/

Let me know if the explanation is helpful.

Regards,

Parik

Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

neil_ticktin_io — Thu, 27 Jul 2023 15:38:04 GMT

@Parik_MN Yes -- useful. I guess more specifically -- we're using MacBook Pros with Apple Silicon. One is an M1 and one is an M2. According to Apple, this is the level of support for both of these are in the following table. The bold, I believe, is what I should be seeing using either of these with an R600 (Unleashed if that matters), but I'm not.

Any ideas why?

802.11 standard, name, frequency	Maximum PHY data rate	Maximum channel bandwidth	Maximum MCS index	Maximum spatial streams
ax@6 GHz	2400 Mbps	160 MHz	11 (HE)	2/MIMO
ax@5 GHz	1200 Mbps	80 MHz	11 (HE)	2/MIMO
ac@5 GHz	866 Mbps	80 MHz	9 (VHT)	2/MIMO
a/n@5 GHz	300 Mbps	40 MHz	15 (HT)	2/MIMO
ax@2.4 GHz	195 Mbps	20 MHz	9 (HE)	2/MIMO
b/g/n@2.4 GHz	144 Mbps	20 MHz	15 (HT)	2/MIMO

Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

neil_ticktin_io — Thu, 27 Jul 2023 15:38:56 GMT

Just trying to map the theoretical and charts to real world ... and what to do about it.

Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

Parik_MN — Thu, 27 Jul 2023 16:29:56 GMT

Hello @neil_ticktin_io,

Yes in that case the AP should support 866MBPS of Tx rate. I believe either client is negotiating only single spatial stream or the AP is on 40Mhz channel width. To know the exact MCS negotiated, please help to run below command from AP CLI and share the output.

get mcsrate <wlan-ID> <client_MAC>

Below is the example output:

rkscli: get mcsrate wlan33 de:d7:a6:28:9e:15
AP Rx Signal (dB) 60
AP Tx Data Rate 433300
AP Tx MCS MCS 9/80/1
OK

Regards,

Parik

Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

Parik_MN — Fri, 28 Jul 2023 05:54:34 GMT

Sure no problem @neil_ticktin_io, please get the output as requested above. Let's see what we are missing.

Regards,

Parik

Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

Parik_MN — Tue, 01 Aug 2023 05:28:14 GMT

Hello @neil_ticktin_io,

Greetings!
Just wanted to follow up if you got a chance to collect the requested output from AP CLI. I wanted to make sure AP is doing it's job.

Below is the command syntax again.

get mcsrate <wlan-ID> <client_MAC>

Below is the example output:

rkscli: get mcsrate wlan33 de:d7:a6:28:9e:15
AP Rx Signal (dB) 60
AP Tx Data Rate 433300
AP Tx MCS MCS 9/80/1
OK

Regards,

Parik

Re: R600 How to get maximum throughput ?

neil_ticktin_io — Tue, 01 Aug 2023 18:38:39 GMT

Hi @Parik_MN I was trying to figure out how to do this -- but I guess the CLI commands are different for an access point using Unleashed. I can get into the CLI, and get to ap-mode ... but cannot find any reference for the CLI in Unleashed for an individual AP, nor how to run the get mcsrate ... can you point me in the right direction on this?