topic Re: Do I need a router? in RUCKUS Support for Lennar Homes

Do I need a router?

william_bixler — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:22:59 GMT

I'm new to Ruckus and am unfamiliar with the networking equipment.

I have an Arris Surfboard SB6183 modem, a Ruckus ICX 7150-c12p switch, and 2 Ruckus R510 access points.

With this, do I also need a router or does one of the listed Ruckus devices act as one? I am trying to setup Ruckus Unleashed but am having a lot of problems. If I do need a router, any suggestions on routers compatible with Ruckus devices for home use?

Re: Do I need a router?

abilashpr — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:32:18 GMT

Hi William,

You got all the ingredients for Great WiFi!!!

You just need to power the Modem and connect all the devices.

I got a ICX7150-c12P which ran router code on primary, and if the Modem runs DHCP everything should be fine, if not you need to run DHCP on the ICX once you got the wired set up, log into unleashed via configure-me SSID or just type in the Unleashed IP in the browser and play as you required that's it, now experience Smart blazing WiFi no AI.

Hope it helps!

Regards,
Abilash PR

Re: Do I need a router?

hayward_kong — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:43:34 GMT

I think Lennar home users by default are using the switch firmware on the ICX7150-c12P, most home users don't know how flash the firmware on the icx..... I recommend getting a router or if you have one you can use an older wifi router but just shut off the wifi on it. Do you have any older wifi equipment and if so what?

Re: Do I need a router?

william_bixler — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:46:09 GMT

Sweet! No more hardware at least!

My modem does not run DHCP. Is there documentation somewhere for setting up the service in the ICX switch?

Thank you so much!

Re: Do I need a router?

william_bixler — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:50:14 GMT

If I do need to use a router, it will be a Ubiquiti Edge 4. However, I work IT and would prefer to use the ICX switch as the router if it supports that. I have no problem flashing the firmware, I'm just unfamiliar with the equipment.

Re: Do I need a router?

abilashpr — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:21:56 GMT

Hi William,

Please use below link and download ICX-Upgrade Guide using your support account, if not this is the best time to register and download all the needed documents and firmware, then navigate to page 11 in the Upgrade Guide, if you have CLI access to the switch and if you have a USB its easy else fire up a TFTP server.

https://support.ruckuswireless.com/documents/3055-fastiron-08-0-92-ga-software-upgrade-guide

Regarding DHCP, please refer link below and download DHCP server guide.

https://support.ruckuswireless.com/documents/3059-fastiron-08-0-92-ga-dhcp-configuration-guide

Below is the sample DHCP server configuration, you can modify it according to your need.

ip dhcp-server enable
!
ip dhcp-server pool 1
 dhcp-default-router 192.168.8.100 
 dns-server 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4                                       
 excluded-address 192.168.8.99 192.168.8.140
 lease 0 2 0
 network 192.168.8.0 255.255.252.0
 deploy
!

Below is a sample configuration of a ICX Router, please change the IP addresses according to your need and modify default route to the IP address from your ISP.

vlan 1 name DEFAULT-VLAN by port
 router-interface ve 1
!                                                                 
!
!
aaa authentication web-server default local
aaa authentication login default local
enable telnet authentication
enable aaa console
hostname Home-Router
ip dhcp-server enable
!
ip dhcp-server pool 1
 dhcp-default-router 192.168.8.100 
 dns-server 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4                                       
 excluded-address 192.168.8.99 192.168.8.140
 lease 0 2 0
 network 192.168.8.0 255.255.252.0
 deploy
!
ip route 0.0.0.0/0 192.168.8.201
!
!
!
!
!
!
interface ve 1
 ip address 192.168.8.100 255.255.252.0
!
!
!
!
!
lldp run
!
!
!
!
end

Edit the above configuration according to your need and paste it on the CLI and your Home WiFi should be up and running in minutes.

As the ICX compact is new, it should run 8.0.80 or higher version which should be good if I were you I would leave it on 8.0.80, now the only command that would require is "boot system flash secondary yes", as it is ICX-7150c12 the primary runs on router code, please verify the same using "show version" command the same information is available on Page 11 in the Upgrade Guide.

Hope it helps!!!

Regards,
Abilash PR.

Re: Do I need a router?

alex_shalima — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 22:26:44 GMT

William,

I have very similar setup to yours at my house. One of the WAPs can act as a router.

Here is what I did:

1. Install Unleashed Firmware of both R510 (download from support website)
2. Configure the Unleashed network
3. Switch one of your WAPs into Router mode
4. Configure the router with Public IP or get DHCP from Surfboard
5. Plug in your LAN into any switch and enjoy

Cheers,
Alex

Re: Do I need a router?

hayward_kong — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 22:32:44 GMT

You could turn one of your APs into gateway mode, but I don’t recommend it if you bandwidth is greater than 200mbps . I know that routing bandwidth caps out under 300mbps I would just flash the ICX into router mode.

Re: Do I need a router?

china_apt — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 17:48:25 GMT

I’ve faced similar dilemma and as hyak suggested deployed an ISP approved modem/router and disabled the WiFi and connected to 610 AP in gateway mode. It’s working for now anyway.

I too had a surfboard modem but the consensus seemed to be that without a router, it wasn’t secure.
I too would love to take advantage of my icx switch (for Poe to 610, eth access, etc) but have yet to find any IT/networking consultant who will take the required time to setup—and have no access to enterprise-level folks.

My icx 7150-24p has been sitting in a box for two years—Poe doesn’t work, cannot be factory reset using manual procedure and cannot access it. Shame after spending ~ $2,000.

Re: Do I need a router?

hayward_kong — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 17:52:34 GMT

If you bought it from a ruckus authorized dealer it should have limited lifetime warranty..

Re: Do I need a router?

alex_shalima — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 18:42:17 GMT

Blake,

Please keep in mind that PoE is not turned on by default. Old firmware required you to go in and turn on PoE on each port individually.

You will need a console cable for the switch and a USB to Serial adapter to get into console to troubleshoot it. I suggest any adapter that is made with FTDI chipset, - they are the best.

Something like that would work great:

https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Serial-Adapter-Chipset-CB-FTDI/dp/B006AA04K0/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=ftdi+usb+to+serial&qid=1580841538&sr=8-4

Your Ruckus Gateway WAP would be a firewall as well. it's basic, but it does the job. Check out this pic:

https://docs.ruckuswireless.com/unleashed/200.3/c-GatewayMode.html

P.S.
If you are looking for someone to look at your switch and troubleshoot/upgrade it, hit me up and we can work out a deal.

my email:
alex at ezit dot tech

Cheers,
Alex

Re: Do I need a router?

netwizz — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 03:05:04 GMT

If you do a "show flash" and see an SPS080xxx.bin it is switch firmware. If you see SPR080xxx.bin it is Layer-3 firmware. By convention the secondary slot holds layer-3 firmware (routing capable) and the primary holds switching firmware, though you can run either from either slot.

You can do a "show boot-preference" to see which slot should boot.

A "show ver" should show you which version booted and primary or secondary.

Personally, I wouldn't hook an ICX directly to the Internet. I would connect a firewall for that. I have no idea how Lennar Homes configures them being I don't have that home-builder. That said I have configured hundreds of ICX switches in countless different configurations.

Re: Do I need a router?

netwizz — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 03:07:23 GMT

Try:
en
conf t
blah(config)# int e 1/1/1 to 1/1/24
blah(config-if1/1/1-1/1/24)# inline power

You can also do a "show inline power" and a "show inline power detail"

What version code is it running?

Re: Do I need a router?

ICXBeginner — Tue, 24 May 2022 21:43:01 GMT

Hi, I'm running the ICX in router mode but I don't want to connect the modem directly into the same VLAN with my APs and wired devices. So I want to create 2 VLANs and then route the Internet traffic from Internal VLAN to External. But, I found a weird problem for now, when I changed to router mode, the APs are no longer able to see the ICX in the unleashed application, so L2 is working but I can't ping or access the ICX from within the VLAN, but I can access it if I'm connected in the router at the same level as the ICX. Any ideas?